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General Notes
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Deltarpm
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In order to provide smaller updates to the stable release, deltarpm from suse ha s been added. This enable to have incremental updates of rpm, reducing bandwidth needed. ( see http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2005-01/msg01996.php ).
Removed package
These packages were removed from the archives, as they are either deprecated or not working ( this list is not complete ) :

* boa-constructor : ( not working with newer wxpython )
* ispell : replaced by aspell
* opale : do not compile
* acid : replaced by base
* bayonne : unmaintained

Installation
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The installer was improved and now uses a different technology ( compressed loop back ) as found in MandrakeMove.

You can also use iso on the disk, as quickly explained on StageOne.

This section should mention the feature: "Internet sources configuration during installation." However this option didn't appear when I just tried the 10.2rc1 i nstaller. I was booting from The Supplemental Drivers CD.

Tools
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MCC
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MCC has now an expert option to display advanced tools.

Hardware
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initrd
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Warning : If you have initrd's created before 10.2 they must be regenerated (usi ng mkinitrd) to have large enough room, otherwise /sys might get full and preven t hal to work properly (not detecting the entire hardware installed on the syste m)

Standard kernel does not work on Centrino
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The standard kernel now has NX (no-execute) support enabled by default. NX requi res PAE (Physical Address Extension) support, which should be available on all i 686 processors, and is required for accessing memory above 4GB. Unfortunately PA E support is broken on the Dothan (Centrino) CPU (See the errata part of http:// download.intel.com/design/mobile/SPECUPDT/30220907.pdf) and no fix nor workaroun d is planned by Intel. If you have a Centrino CPU, you should use a kernel which doesn't require PAE support, thus you have to use i686-4GB or i586-1GB kernels. This also means that Centrino users cannot have the advantages of NX (on any op erating system). The installer has been updated, and should install a suitable k ernel (ie i686-up-4GB) by default.

speedstep-centrino does not support Dothan processors
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The kernel module speedstep-centrino does not support Dothan processors. This is native cpufreq driver for Centrino based systems. Despite of this there is supp ort via generic acpi-cpufreq module. Using acpi-cpufreq instead of speedstep-cen trino caused higher power consumption.

At this time there is still no support for Dothan in main linux tree but there i s unofficial patch which add support for these processors: http://localhost.ruhr .de/~stefan/acerTM292/patches/cpufreq-speedstep-dothan-3.patch

Also this problem is discussed in bugzilla: bug_small.png Bug #10988 bug_small.p ng Bug #14950

ov511 based webcam
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two different releases of ov511 driver are included in shipped kernel. If your w ebcam doesn't work correctly, it is probably using ov511-alt module instead of o v511. Add ov511-alt to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and ov511 will be loaded instead.

Desktop
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KDE
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Kde 3.3.2 has been chosen over kde 3.4 for its maturity. However many bugfixes a nd some important new features ( kpdf, gdm theme support for kdm ) were backport ed by the Mandrakelinux KDE team into the packages included.

Kde has been compiled with the flag -fvisibility, in order to improve loading ti mes ( http://www.nedprod.com/programs/gccvisibility.html ).

Changes to the Kmenu Button
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In order to highlight the Kmenu button in a more obvious fashion, a text label h as been added that says "menu". Depending on the size of your kicker panel and y our personal preferences, you may want to disable this. To do so, open .kde/shar e/config/kickerrc with your favorite text editor and add kmenutext=false in the Kmenu section (you may have to add the section) so it looks like this:

[KMenu]
kmenutext=false

There is more information and discussion in this Cooker ML thread ( http://archi ves.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2005-03/msg03163.php )

New Look Login Manager
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There is a new feature in the default login manager (KDM) for this release which allows it to be themed like GDM. When themed, the user must know his/her userna me and type it in, which may be undesirable in certain circumstances.

If you want to revert to the previous behavior, you simply must configure KDM to not use a theme. To do this, open /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc with your favorite text ed itor and change UseTheme=true to UseTheme=false.

There is more information and discussion in this Cooker ML thread ( http://archi ves.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2005-03/msg04931.php )

GNOME
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For stability reasons the version of GNOME included is 2.8.3, which is the lates t stable release before the jump to 2.10. See the release announcement for more information on features and capabilities ( http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome- announce-list/2005-February/msg00071.html )

Sound
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ALSA support was greatly enhanced in XMMS and Beep Media Player.

Sound multiplexing with ALSA
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Now, applications that use the ALSA api for playing sound will automatically use the dmix plugin by default on sound cards that do not support hardware mixing. Thus, such applications will always be able to play sound simultaneously.

Note that if an application uses the OSS emulation for playing sound with an ALS A driver, it'll get exclusive access to the sound card, thus excluding all other apps.

What's more, the dnsoop plugin is also set up, thus allowing several application s to record simultaneously from the same sound card

Last but not least, the softvol plugin is used for codecs without volume control s (eg: Azalia/intel HD audio) so that one can alter sound volume on cards that d o not support it

TiMidity MIDI synthesizer
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Now TiMidity, a MIDI playback engine, can be executed as a ALSA sequencer client . This means it can act as a software synthesizer, which is very useful when mac hine has no decent soundcard (such as most laptop). Install timidity-init if thi s feature is desired.

The old patch set included in versions prior to 10.2 was found to be plagued wit h copyright problem, so this situation is rectified by uploading new patch set c alled freepats: http://freepats.opensrc.org , which is rigorously reviewed and c onfirmed to be free of copyright problem.

X.org
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X.org version 6.8.x is now shipping with an experimental extension called Compos ite (disabled by default). To enable, just read this page : http://wiki.x.org/wi ki/CvsPage

If it is enabled, some applications might crash (like Flash plugin, GTK1 applica tions like xmms). To workaround this problem, you need to set the environment va riable XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 before starting those applications.

The configuration file /etc/X11/xorg.conf is no longer a symbolic link to /etc/X 11/XF86config.

Multimedia keyboards
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Newer multimedia keyboards can now be configured via the keyboarddrake applet in the Mandrake Control Center. GNOME and KDE have already been configured with ce rtain default actions for common multimedia keys.

XDG Menu
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The XDG menu specification from freedesktop.org has been used to generate the me nus in the new release, and to generate the default Mandrakelinux menus, the men u package is still used. You can change some of the default menu attributes by m odifying the file /etc/menu-methods/menu-attribute.

Several attributes can be used:

* inline: true or false example: inline="true" (allow inlining menu, a direc tory will not be created for only one item )
* inline_header: true or false (allow to make a menu header)
* inline_alias: true or false (allow to replace menu item by alias)
* inline_limit: a number (example inline_limit="12") define how menu item we can inlined.

see http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-0.9.html for more infor mation on the XDG menu specification.

Although not the default, if you wish, you have the ability to have your menus s orted in alphabetic order. To do this, just create empty file named /etc/menu-me thods/xdg-not-sorted.

Spell checking
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ispell is no longer supported, it has been replaced with aspell (which is active ly supportd and provides same funcitonality and extra features, like utf-8 suppo rt, and much more supported languages).

See the aspell documentation, and in particular the file /usr/share/doc/aspell-0 .60.2/manual/aspell.html/Using-Aspell-as-a-Replacement-for-Ispell.html for the d ifferences in the command line parameters and how you can switch to use aspell a s your spell checker. You can also see the file /usr/share/doc/aspell-0.60.2/man ual/aspell.html/Introduction.html for the differences and advantages of aspell o ver ispell.

ispell dictionaries have been removed, only the ispell program is still availabl e (as a contrib package) in case you have a home-made dictionary in ispell forma t. The ispell program itself will however be removed in the future, so if you ha ve a personal dictionary in ispell format you should start to convert it to aspe ll format.

Mozilla and firefox
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Mozilla suite has been replaced by firefox, thunderbird and nvu in main ( http:/ /archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2005-01/msg00355.php ). Firefox is shipped wi th three different themes (Firefox theme, CrystalSVG theme for KDE and GNOME the me which will use icon theme configured in GNOME). Firefox will autodetect runni ng environment and choose the correct theme accordingly. If you choose another t heme, this autoswitch feature will be disabled. To enable it back, you need to g o to "about:config" with firefox and choose "general.skins.selectedSkin" and sel ect 'reset'. You'll need to restart firefox to get it back

Networking
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Network interfaces are now initiated in the background to speed up the boot proc ess.

System
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Dynamic File System Monitoring
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The fam daemon, which was the default tool for providing notification to userspa ce about modifications to the filesystem, was plagued with problems, primarily r elated to locking of devices. For Mandrakelinux 10.2, famd is being replaced by gamin which eliminates many of these problems. The usage is the same, so the use r should not need to do anything, but the result will be a better working system . If you are using home over NFS, you might see gamin taking more %CPU than need ed (this is an issue caused by dnotify kernel feature). See this page to configu re gamin to use polling in that case.

New urpmi features
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* gurpmi has been rewritten as a native gtk2 app, meaning that urpmi --X no longer exist.
* a new option --retry was added, to specify how often a mirror should be re tried.
* urpmi can now use iso image as a removable media.
* you can now use variable in media url, for more flexibility. ( http://arch ives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2005-02/msg02853.php ).

Magidev is replaced by gnome-volume-manager and HAL.
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Magicdev, the software who used to be in charge of mounting usb key on the deskt op, is replaced by gnome-volume-manager and HAL. If you are upgrading from an ol der release and still using old kernel, make sure to see initrd section to make sure devices add/removal is working properly (df /dev should never returns 100% space used).

Server
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Postgresql
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Postgresql Procedural languages support has been splitted in one rpm for each la nguages ( postgresql-pl* ), you may need install new package if you upgrade.

MySQL
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As a security measure, networking in the mysql server has been disabled per defa ult, only localhost connections will work. This is because the mysql root user h as no password in a default install and that leaves the MySQL server open for an yone to use.

To enable networking the user has to edit or delete the /etc/sysconfig/mysqld fi le.

Cfengine
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Now cfengine is splitted among several package, and use the new version 2.0, whi ch changed major thinkg, like no more binary ( /usr/bin/cfengine ). See cfengine changelog for more details.

Samba
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Samba can now automatically share new CUPS printers. To allow this to work out-t he-box, the default samba configuration now sets "printcap cache time" to 60 sec onds (by default it is 0 which disables rescanning of printers). In order for sh ared printers to be browseable by default, printerdrake should now also generate printer names of no more than 13 characters, don't use longer names if you want the printers to be visible on your samba server (although they will still be us eable, they won't be shown when browsing the samba server).

In order to allow use of the kernel's cifs driver without installing a few MB of samba packages, the mount.cifs binary has been split off into the subpackage mo unt-cifs (but it is required by samba-client). This should have no impact beside s allowing users to have a minimal system that can mount CIFS shares.

Of interest to users with LDAP-based domain controllers, Samba-3.0.13 has a newe r version of smbldap-tools than before, which is much more similar to the stand- alone smbldap-tools. Thus, the smbldap-tools are no longer bundled in the samba- server package. Users who were previously using the smbldap-tools provided by sa mba-server should install the samba-smbldap-tools package, which will install sm bldap-tools, provide compatability symbolic links, and migrate a previous smblda p-tools configuration (from /etc/samba/smbldap_conf.pm) to the new configuration files (/etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf and /etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap_bind.conf ). After migration is complete, and your /etc/samba/smb.conf has been updated to reflect the location of the real smbldap-tools (which you should do manually, t o the versions in /usr/sbin), the samba-smbldap-tools package may be removed.

OpenLDAP
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The database format used by the bdb backend in OpenLDAP 2.2 is incompatible with the format in OpenLDAP 2.1. An automatic export/import is done during upgrade t o allow a seemless upgrade, however it is possible that the import may fail (som e reasons are covered below). In this case, the LDIF files from the export are l eft in the database directory with the name rpm-migrate-to-2.2.ldif-import-faile d, and may be imported with slapadd after the problem has been corrected.

Some users may prefer to not have their databases migrated automatically, automa tic migration may be prevented by setting "AUTOMIGRATE=no" in /etc/sysconfig/lda p, but of course alternative arrangements should be made to ensure the availabil ity of the data after the upgrade. As a last fallback, openldap2.1 packages are available in contrib which may be used to recover the data (via slapcat2.1), but use of the packages for production is discouraged.

Some changes have been made to the way ACLs are defined in slapd.conf (and inclu ded files), for example the ACL target specifier dn now uses the subtype "exact" by default instead of "regex" as before, and submatches no longer automatically expand. ACLs with regex-based targets that use "access to dn=" should be change d to use "access to dn.regex=", and the associated "by" clause should be changed from "by dn=" to "by dn.exact,expand" instead. If you have made changes to the default provided slapd.access.conf, you may wish to review the changes (which yo u should be able to see in the file slapd.acces.conf.rpmnew). To prevent this is sue in the future, the file slapd.access.conf is no longer "noreplace", so if yo u with to make changes, you should copy the file and modify the copied file (and change the include directive in slapd.conf to point to your copy).

Since samba-2.x is now obsolete, the samba.schema provided with OpenLDAP no long er has the obsolete samba2 definitions uncommented as before, and any reference to those attributes or objectclasses in access control or indexing directives sh ould be removed (or, if you still need them, make a copy of samba.schema and unc omment the necessary sections).

Since OpenLDAP 2.2 utilises an in-memory cache, which will be emptied by databas e recovery, automatic database recovery for all bdb/hdb databases during startup (ie 'service ldap start', but not 'service ldap restart') of the "ldap" service is now optional (but enabled by default). If you don't want your in-memory cach e emptied and you are sure your server will never shut down unexpectedly, you ma y disable automatic database recovery by setting "AUTORECOVER=no" in /etc/syscon fig/ldap

Development
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Packaging
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%mkrel macro
in a attempt to provides easy backport naming, a %mkrel macro was added. This wi ll lead to a versioned (ie distribution specific) release tag if you rebuild a r pm from cooker on your stable release. Packages which implemented %mkrel without defining the macro may not rebuild cleanly on older releases without a local ma cro definition. See DistroSpecificReleaseTag.

multiarch
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in order to enhance support of 32 bit developpement on a 64 bit architecture, a new system has been added to sort arch dependent files. Therefore, it require th e backport of multiarch-utils in order to build newer rpm on old releases ( see http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2005-01/msg01999.php ).

Compilers
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Perl
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Perl has been built without thread support ( http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/c ooker/2004-11/msg01206.php ). This means that all the binary packages need to be rebuilt, and you can no longer use interpreter level thread. More info on http: //archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2004-10/msg01160.php

VFlib
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Support for VFlib (a librairy to access different font formats trough a unique A PI) is dropped, as that library is not used anymore by any standard program, the functionality of accessing fonts is now being done trough fontconfig.

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Ich denke in den nächsten Tagen sollte die ISO-Version auf die Server wandern.

XD
 
Lt. Warly auf der Cooker-ML sind die ISOs fast fertig. Releasedate soll lt. Wiki der 12.4.05 für die Clubber und der 1.5.05 für alle sein.
 
Kann ich die 10.1 dann ohne Probs auf die 10.2 updaten ? Also einfach drueberinstallieren ?
 
Ja das kannst du ohne Probleme machen, der Installer beinhaltet eine Updatefunktion.

Kannst Alternativ einfach die neuen Pfade in urpmi integrieren und Online Updaten, hat zum Vorteil das nur das geladen wird, was du auch brauchst, bzw Installiert hast.

Bin nun seid 2 Wochen auf Cookerstand und seid 5-6 Tagen ca. änderte sich dort nichts mehr. Es wird wohl echt bald soeit sein :)
 
Ich dachte, die sei schon raus, hab mir vor einigen Tagen (vor 2 Wochen ungefähr) ne 10.2 für x86-64 von den Servern geladen. die meldet sich auch schon als limited edition 2005.

Wann kommt da dann eigentlich das neue Mandriva-Logo?
 
Ich gehe einmal davon aus das das morgen oder spätestens gegen Ende der Woche mit dem "offiziellem" Release dabei ist, aber bin nicht sicher.
 
wenn ich einfach bei urpmi die neuen Quellen reinhau, wird dann auch der Kernel upgedated, ne oder?!? Und wenn ich mit der CD update? Wird dann n neuer Kernel installiert? Warscheinlich auch nich...oder?
 
SirBardn schrieb:
wenn ich einfach bei urpmi die neuen Quellen reinhau, wird dann auch der Kernel upgedated, ne oder?!? Und wenn ich mit der CD update? Wird dann n neuer Kernel installiert? Warscheinlich auch nich...oder?

Wieso willst du unbedingt einen neuen Kernel?
Back dir halt einen Vanilla Kernel, Anleitungen gibts ja zu genüge bei Google.
 
Hat nicht erst vor kurzem einer der Kernel-Entwickler kritisiert, daß die Vanilla Kernel zu buggy geworden sind, und das die Kernel der Distributoren teilweise viel mehr getestet werden? ;)

XD
 
X-Dimension schrieb:
Hat nicht erst vor kurzem einer der Kernel-Entwickler kritisiert, daß die Vanilla Kernel zu buggy geworden sind, und das die Kernel der Distributoren teilweise viel mehr getestet werden? ;)

XD
Echt? Hast du da einen Link für mich?
 
Uff, da muss ich mal suchen, das stand vor ein paar Monaten mal irgendendwo. (Entweder Heise, Osnews oder ProLinux vermute ich mal)
Da wurde Alan Cox interviewt soweit ich mich erinnere...

XD
 
Der Kernel wird soweit ich weiß bei "Mandriva" nur aktualisiert wenn du per CD die Option Update wählst. Ansonsten musst du die jeweils aktuelle Quelle wählen und dann mit "urpmi "exakter-kernelname"" das dingen selbst installieren, er wird aber Automatisch in Lilo eingetragen.

Wie das mit der Updatequelle von Mandriva e ist weiß ich nicht ich hole mir immer nen aktuellen aus dem Cooker wenn ich es brauche.
 
Kann es sein, dass die Quellen auch schon bei EASYURPMI drin sind. Da gibt's jetz ne Mandrake Version "2005". Is das Mandriva 10.2??

Mandriva....pff.....Mandrake klang schon irgendwie schöner!
 
aber leider noch keine Qellen für x86-64 :(
 
SirBardn schrieb:
Kann es sein, dass die Quellen auch schon bei EASYURPMI drin sind. Da gibt's jetz ne Mandrake Version "2005". Is das Mandriva 10.2??

Mandriva....pff.....Mandrake klang schon irgendwie schöner!

Ich denke bei "2005" wird es sich um Mandy 10.2 (Limited 2005) handeln.
Die FTP Server werden immer dann aktualisiert wenn die Community-ISOs fertig sind.

XD
 
cool. Meinst ein Update (hab grad 10.1) würde sich lohnen? Irgendwelche erwähnenswerten Neuerungen enthalten, oder irgendwelche merkwürdigen und gefährlichen Bugs bekannt?
 
SirBardn schrieb:
cool. Meinst ein Update (hab grad 10.1) würde sich lohnen? Irgendwelche erwähnenswerten Neuerungen enthalten, oder irgendwelche merkwürdigen und gefährlichen Bugs bekannt?
Siehe erster Post (Changelog)
 
Zumindest nicht für jeden. Frei erhältlich sind die ab Mai.
Kannst wenn du dir die Mühe machen wilst aber auch selbst welche erstellen...


Das neue Release ist schon in einigen Aspekten besser, es kommt mir schneller vor, es bootet flüssiger und auch die W-Lan unterstützung ist besser Integriert worden. Insgesamt echt lohnenswert !
 
Diablo schrieb:
Siehe erster Post (Changelog)

Des Ding is viel zu lang und außerdem is so viel unwichtiges Zeug dabei, dass ich einfach nicht die Zeit ivestieren will, das ganze Ding zu lesen. Hab besseres zu tun. zB. Biophysik büffeln.... )((

Außerdem können die viel schreiben, ich meinte eigentlich eher Erfahrungsberichte von Leuten, die ihr System schon upgedatet haben.

Und da mein System gerade einigermaßen läuft, hätte ich halt gern gewusst, ob es sich lohnt, weil es ja eigentlich heißt: "Never touch a running System"

Naja....mal sehen, vielleicht probier ich's aus, aber erst nach der Klausur, sonst lern ich erst wieder net ;)

PS: Weiß jemand ob K3B auch upgedated wurde? Vielleicht kann ich dann wieder Multisession CDs brennen?!?
 
Tja, SirBardn.

Wer Mandriva/Mandrake nutzt sollte gelegentlich beim Haus- und Hof-Forum für den deutschsprachigen Raum vorbeischaun. Ein Tipp wäre meine Signatur hier.
Und dort hättest Du sicher schnell rausgefunden, dass es auch für Deine 10.1 neuere Pakete zum Updaten gibt ;) Es sollen ja auch Leute außerhalb von Paris RPMs erstellen 8)

Und ob die LE2005 für Dich lohnt hängt ganz von Deinen Vorstellungen ab. Du wirst schon mal in die Releasenotes schauen müssen, um das für Dich zu beurteilen. Sie machte bislang auf viele einen guten Eindruck. Nicht von allem die allerneueste Version, dafür aber gut getestet und gepatched.

Gruß
AndyRTR
 
AndyRTR schrieb:
Nicht von allem die allerneueste Version, dafür aber gut getestet und gepatched.
AndyRTR

Ok :)


AndyRTR schrieb:
Und dort hättest Du sicher schnell rausgefunden, dass es auch für Deine 10.1 neuere Pakete zum Updaten gibt ;) Es sollen ja auch Leute außerhalb von Paris RPMs erstellen 8)
AndyRTR

Eh?? Was willst du mir damit sagen? Dass es auch RPMs für MDK10.1 gibt, die nicht auf den offiziellen Servern sind, also nicht mit dem MDK-Kontroll-Zentrum-Update verfügbar sind, oder?!? Drück dich bitte deutlicher aus, dann kann mir deine Aussage vielleicht auch was helfen.
 
Ja es gibt auch Paketquellen ausserhalb der Mandriva-Server:

"Thacs" zum Beispiel hat immer die neueste KDE Version und viele Multimedia-Apps die es von Mandriva nichtmal im Cooker gibt.
"Götz Waschk" stellt immer die aktuellste GNOME Version zur Verfügung und unser Andy, der hat auch ein paar Paketchen. :)

XD
 
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