{"id":30725,"date":"2017-03-16T13:16:30","date_gmt":"2017-03-16T12:16:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/?p=30725"},"modified":"2017-04-11T19:45:02","modified_gmt":"2017-04-11T17:45:02","slug":"schlechte-kommunikation-schlechter-support-mainboard-hersteller-sauer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/30725-schlechte-kommunikation-schlechter-support-mainboard-hersteller-sauer\/","title":{"rendered":"<span class=\"dquo\">\u201c<\/span>Schlechte Kommunikation, schlechter Support\u201d \u2013 Boardhersteller sauer?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Bereits im Janu\u00adar, andert\u00adhalb Mona\u00adte vor der Markt\u00adein\u00adf\u00fch\u00adrung des <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> Ryzen, gab es <a href=\"http:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/28630-geruecht-ryzen-bereit-mainboards-aber-noch-nicht\/\">Mel\u00addun\u00adgen aus Chi\u00adna<\/a>, dass der Pro\u00adzes\u00adsor zwar bereit sei f\u00fcr einen bal\u00addi\u00adgen Markt\u00adstart, die neu\u00aden AM4-Main\u00adboards jedoch noch nicht. Wir ver\u00adbuch\u00adten das als Ger\u00fccht mit gerin\u00adgem N\u00e4hr\u00adwert, schlie\u00df\u00adlich hat\u00adten alle Her\u00adstel\u00adler (au\u00dfer <span class=\"caps\">ASUS<\/span>) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/28256-16-kommende-am4-mainboards-von-asrock-bis-msi\/\">eine Men\u00adge AM4-Main\u00adboards auf der <span class=\"caps\">CES<\/span><\/a> pr\u00e4\u00adsen\u00adtiert, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/27593-sockel-am4-bristol-ridge-fuer-endkunden-im-user-review\/\"><span class=\"caps\">ASUS<\/span> bau\u00adte f\u00fcr OEMs schon seit Mona\u00adten ein AM4-Board<\/a>, damit die\u00adse Kom\u00adplett-PCs mit der <span class=\"caps\">APU<\/span> Bris\u00adtol Ridge bau\u00aden konn\u00adten und <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> schick\u00adte nach\u00adweis\u00adlich \u00fcber Mona\u00adte hin\u00adweg Engi\u00adnee\u00adring-Samples durch die Welt. War\u00adum also soll\u00adten die Main\u00adboard-Her\u00adstel\u00adler nicht bereit sein?<\/p>\n<p>Die Markt\u00adein\u00adf\u00fch\u00adrung des <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> Ryzen am 2. M\u00e4rz wur\u00adde jedoch ein holp\u00adri\u00adger Start f\u00fcr vie\u00adle Redak\u00adtio\u00adnen, abh\u00e4n\u00adgig davon, mit wel\u00adchem Main\u00adboard ihr Pres\u00adse-Kit best\u00fcckt war. Zicki\u00adge Spei\u00adcher-Kom\u00adpa\u00adti\u00adbi\u00adli\u00adt\u00e4t und feh\u00adlen\u00adde Fea\u00adtures waren dabei noch das gerin\u00adge\u00adre \u00dcbel, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/30691-neues-bios-fuer-asus-crosshair-vi-hero-ohne-zerstoererischen-bug\/\">ster\u00adben\u00adde Main\u00adboards wegen eines BIOS-Bugs<\/a> dage\u00adgen schon gra\u00advie\u00adren\u00adder. Und w\u00e4h\u00adrend <a href=\"http:\/\/preisvergleich.planet3dnow.de\/kategorie\/1\/mainboards\/produkte#filter:RYxBCoMwEEXv8tcumiwseBURmU4HDUQTJ61diHd3CorL9_7jbyhJP2gwhTlrYOmpMCqULMwpOlseN_oLhZTHX9J3MWNCZfkGFaMWtFKI9IqCrkKmQSxx5weaDf4fudo_a3T7fgA\">in Deutsch\u00adland die AM4-Main\u00adboards noch eini\u00adger\u00adma\u00ad\u00dfen gut ver\u00adf\u00fcg\u00adbar<\/a> sind, scheint es in den <span class=\"caps\">USA<\/span> weit schwie\u00adri\u00adger zu sein, als inter\u00ades\u00adsier\u00adter Kun\u00adde an ent\u00adspre\u00adchen\u00adde Pla\u00adti\u00adnen zu kommen.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.legitreviews.com\/one-motherboard-maker-explains-why-amd-am4-boards-are-missing_192470\" target=\"_blank\">Legit Reviews<\/a> woll\u00adte des\u00adwe\u00adgen von <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> und den Main\u00adboard-Her\u00adstel\u00adlern wis\u00adsen, was da los ist. Ein Main\u00adboard-Her\u00adstel\u00adler, der jedoch anonym blei\u00adben m\u00f6ch\u00adte, \u00e4u\u00dfers\u00adte sich unge\u00adw\u00f6hn\u00adlich dras\u00adtisch zur Markt\u00adein\u00adf\u00fch\u00adrung von Ryzen. Eine schlech\u00adte Kom\u00admu\u00adni\u00adka\u00adti\u00adon habe vor\u00adge\u00adle\u00adgen, schlech\u00adter Sup\u00adport durch <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> und \u00fcber\u00adhaupt sei es ein schlech\u00adtes Timing gewe\u00adsen, den wohl urspr\u00fcng\u00adlich intern f\u00fcr Ende <span class=\"caps\">Q2<\/span> geplan\u00adten Ryzen-Launch auf <span class=\"caps\">Q1<\/span> vor\u00adzu\u00adzie\u00adhen, denn das sei genau in die Zeit gefal\u00adlen, in der die Main\u00adboard-Her\u00adstel\u00adler die Intel 200er Boards f\u00fcr das chi\u00adne\u00adsi\u00adsche Neu\u00adjahrs\u00adfest fer\u00adtig\u00adbe\u00adkom\u00admen muss\u00adten. Dem\u00adnach habe <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> erst Ende Dezem\u00adber beschlos\u00adsen, den Launch um ein Quar\u00adtal nach vor\u00adne zu ver\u00adle\u00adgen und konn\u00adte laut die\u00adser Quel\u00adle bis 2 Wochen vor dem Launch kei\u00adne Anga\u00adben machen, mit wel\u00adcher St\u00fcck\u00adzahl die Board-Her\u00adstel\u00adler zu rech\u00adnen h\u00e4t\u00adten. Zu allem \u00dcber\u00adfluss mach\u00adten die BIOS-Ent\u00adwick\u00adler bei <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span>, so die Aus\u00adsa\u00adgen, einen f\u00fcrch\u00adter\u00adli\u00adchen Job und h\u00e4t\u00adten nichts getan, um die Her\u00adstel\u00adler bei der L\u00f6sung der gro\u00ad\u00dfen Pro\u00adble\u00adme zu hel\u00adfen, die alle mit der neu\u00aden Platt\u00adform gehabt h\u00e4t\u00adte und noch immer&nbsp;haben.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> habe, so die Aus\u00adsa\u00adge, \u00fcber die Jah\u00adre ver\u00adlernt, eine kom\u00adplett neue <span class=\"caps\">CPU<\/span> am Markt ein\u00adzu\u00adf\u00fch\u00adren. Sie sei\u00aden vor\u00adge\u00adgan\u00adgen wie bei ihrem Gra\u00adfik\u00adkar\u00adten-Launch und h\u00e4t\u00adten das kom\u00adple\u00adxe \u00d6ko\u00adsys\u00adtem rund um die neue <span class=\"caps\">CPU<\/span> her\u00adum au\u00dfer acht gelas\u00adsen. Die Main\u00adboard-Her\u00adstel\u00adler sei\u00aden nun dazu gezwun\u00adgen, ihre Boards teu\u00ader per Luft\u00adfracht in alle Welt zu flie\u00adgen, um die Nach\u00adfra\u00adge zu stil\u00adlen, statt wie sonst \u00fcblich g\u00fcns\u00adtig und in gro\u00ad\u00dfen Men\u00adgen per Schiff. Hier der kom\u00adplet\u00adte Text in eng\u00adli\u00adscher Sprache:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span class=\"dquo\">\u201c<\/span>It\u2019s all about the bad coor\u00addi\u00adna\u00adti\u00adon, bad com\u00admu\u00adni\u00adca\u00adti\u00adon, bad sup\u00adport and bad timing to launch this plat\u00adform in my opi\u00adni\u00adon. With all the\u00adse issues, none of us could start manu\u00adfac\u00adtu\u00adre the boards soo\u00adner. Also, in Janu\u00adary and Febru\u00adary, all board ven\u00addors\u2019 pro\u00adduc\u00adtion lines were occu\u00adp\u00adied with Intel 200 series boards befo\u00adre Chi\u00adne\u00adse New Year and tried to ship as much boards as we can to ensu\u00adre we won\u2019t have stock issues while Asia was on New Year vacation.<br>\nIn late Decem\u00adber, <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> deci\u00added to pull in the launch date (it was sche\u00addu\u00adled to launch in late <span class=\"caps\">Q2<\/span>) and laun\u00adched it right after Chi\u00adne\u00adse New Year but <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> keep the <span class=\"caps\">CPU<\/span> sup\u00adp\u00adly quan\u00adti\u00adty secret from us the who\u00adle time. They only shared the data 2 weeks befo\u00adre the launch, we didn\u2019t under\u00adstand why they were doing it. Also, their <span class=\"caps\">BIOS<\/span> team and engi\u00adneers were doing ter\u00adri\u00adble jobs on sup\u00adport\u00ading us on the <span class=\"caps\">BIOS<\/span> micro\u00adcode updates, dri\u00adver updates, <span class=\"caps\">CPU<\/span> samples for test\u00ading. They have done not\u00adhing they should have been doing to sup\u00adport the launch plat\u00adform part\u00adners and always delay or give no respon\u00adse on sup\u00adport requests. We were all having huge issues to debug with limi\u00adt\u00aded <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> resour\u00adce sup\u00adport inclu\u00adding vali\u00adda\u00adting the parts, and fixing the memo\u00adry clock speed that is all limi\u00adt\u00aded by&nbsp;<span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span>.<br>\nIn gene\u00adral, it\u2019s been too long for <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> to launch a new <span class=\"caps\">CPU<\/span>, so they for\u00adgot how to do it, so they laun\u00adched the <span class=\"caps\">CPU<\/span> just like they were laun\u00adching the gra\u00adphics card. They didn\u2019t care about the plat\u00adform eco-sys\u00adtem, so the eco-sys\u00adtem is suf\u00adfe\u00adring and stock is delayed.<br>\nWe are fly\u00ading in new bat\u00adches every 3 days to try to ful\u00adfill the back orders <span class=\"caps\">ASAP<\/span>, so they should be all back in stock soon. With all the board reviews released, per Newegg and Ama\u00adzon, the <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> memo\u00adry limi\u00adta\u00adti\u00adon issue is slo\u00adwing down the sales though.<br>\nWe need your help to feed\u00adback that to <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> as well on their sup\u00adports issues.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Das sind unge\u00adw\u00f6hn\u00adlich schar\u00adfe Wor\u00adte gegen\u00ad\u00fcber <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span>, kein Wun\u00adder, dass der Spre\u00adcher lie\u00adber anonym blei\u00adben m\u00f6ch\u00adte. Was auf den ers\u00adten Blick kaum glaub\u00adlich erscheint, f\u00fcgt sich bei genaue\u00adrer Betrach\u00adtung jedoch gut in das Gesamt\u00adbild ein. So impo\u00adsant und leis\u00adtungs\u00adstark der neue <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> Ryzen ist, Pro\u00adble\u00adme und Unzu\u00adl\u00e4ng\u00adlich\u00adkei\u00adten auf Platt\u00adform\u00adebe\u00adne gibt\u2019s an allen Ecken und Enden. Der vemeint\u00adli\u00adche Bug bei bestimm\u00adten FMA3-Befeh\u00adlen bei\u00adspiels\u00adwei\u00adse, \u00fcber den wir <a href=\"http:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/30654-hat-ryzen-probleme-mit-bestimmten-fma3-code\/\" target=\"_blank\">gestern berich\u00adtet<\/a> haben, soll <a href=\"http:\/\/forum.hwbot.org\/showthread.php?p=480922#post480922\" target=\"_blank\">angeb\u00adlich bereits Anfang Febru\u00adar ent\u00addeckt und gefixt<\/a> wor\u00adden sein, jedoch soll das ent\u00adspre\u00adchen\u00adde AGE\u00adSA-Micro\u00adcode-Update noch immer nicht in die aktu\u00adel\u00adlen BIOS-Ver\u00adsio\u00adnen inte\u00adgriert wor\u00adden sein; war\u00adum auch&nbsp;immer.<\/p>\n<p>Ein Her\u00adstel\u00adler von DRAM-Modu\u00adlen sei sogar an die Redak\u00adti\u00adon von Legit Reviews her\u00adan\u00adge\u00adtre\u00adten, ob man nicht einen Kon\u00adtakt zu <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> her\u00adstel\u00adlen k\u00f6n\u00adne wegen eines Ryzen-Samples zum tes\u00adten der eige\u00adnen Pro\u00adduk\u00adte, weil eine direk\u00adte Anfra\u00adge an <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> offen\u00adbar unbe\u00adant\u00adwor\u00adtet gelie\u00adben&nbsp;war.<\/p>\n<p>Immer vor\u00adaus\u00adge\u00adsetzt, die Anschul\u00addi\u00adgun\u00adgen sind zutref\u00adfend; es w\u00e4re auch nicht das erst Mal, dass <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> einen Launch ver\u00adpatzt und es sich mit Part\u00adnern ver\u00adscherzt. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/27406-amd-sieht-sich-mit-einer-sammelklage-wegen-llano-konfrontiert\/\">Llano zum Bei\u00adspiel ging kom\u00adplett schief<\/a>, was dazu gef\u00fchrt hat, dass unz\u00e4h\u00adli\u00adge Main\u00adboards auf Hal\u00adde blie\u00adben und abge\u00adschrie\u00adben wer\u00adden muss\u00adten. Auch bei <span class=\"caps\">AM2<\/span>+ soll <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> in letz\u00adter Sekun\u00adde noch \u00c4nde\u00adrun\u00adgen an den Spe\u00adzi\u00adfi\u00adka\u00adtio\u00adnen vor\u00adge\u00adnom\u00admen haben, wes\u00adwe\u00adgen vie\u00adle als <span class=\"caps\">AM2<\/span>+ kom\u00adpa\u00adti\u00adbel ange\u00adk\u00fcn\u00addig\u00adte Main\u00adboards es bei der Ein\u00adf\u00fch\u00adrung des Phe\u00adnom dann doch nicht&nbsp;waren.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> in Per\u00adson von John Tay\u00adlor,  Cor\u00adpo\u00adra\u00adte Vice Pre\u00adsi\u00addent des World\u00adwi\u00adde Mar\u00adke\u00adting bei <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span>, \u00e4u\u00dfer\u00adte sich erwar\u00adtungs\u00adge\u00adm\u00e4\u00df diplo\u00adma\u00adtisch auf die Anfra\u00adge von Legit Reviews, dass Ryzen 7 eben eine star\u00adke Nach\u00adfra\u00adge erzeugt habe, wel\u00adche von den Main\u00adboard-Her\u00adstel\u00adlern unter\u00adsch\u00e4tzt wor\u00adden&nbsp;sei:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span class=\"dquo\">\u201c<\/span><span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> is plea\u00adsed with the enthu\u00adsi\u00adasm for Ryzen and the strong demand world\u00adwi\u00adde for Ryzen 7. Demand for Ryzen 7 does exceed our mother\u00adboard part\u00adners\u2019 initi\u00adal expec\u00adta\u00adti\u00adons. Our part\u00adners are rapidly ram\u00adping up ship\u00adments, and we expect suf\u00adfi\u00adci\u00adent mother\u00adboard sup\u00adp\u00adly in a few&nbsp;weeks.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Der Text wirft aller\u00addings auch vie\u00adle Fra\u00adgen auf. Dass <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> den Ryzen-Launch vor\u00adge\u00adzo\u00adgen haben soll, klingt selt\u00adsam, wo fr\u00fc\u00adhe\u00adre Road\u00admaps doch <span class=\"caps\">Q4<\/span>\/2016 und nicht <span class=\"caps\">Q2<\/span>\/2017 als Start\u00adter\u00admin genannt hat\u00adten. Zudem gibt es unz\u00e4h\u00adli\u00adge, von <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> ver\u00ad\u00f6f\u00adfent\u00adlich\u00adte AGE\u00adSA-Micro\u00adcode-Updates f\u00fcr <span class=\"caps\">AM4<\/span>. In den BIOS-Ver\u00adsio\u00adnen der Her\u00adstel\u00adler sind jedoch gr\u00f6\u00df\u00adten\u00adteils noch uralte AGE\u00adSA-Ver\u00adsio\u00adnen ent\u00adhal\u00adten. Wie\u00adso? Und dass man mit den AMD-Boards nicht fer\u00adtig gewor\u00adden sei, weil man sich auf die Pro\u00adduk\u00adti\u00adon der Intel-Boards kon\u00adzen\u00adtrie\u00adren muss\u00adte, l\u00e4sst auch tief bli\u00adcken. Mal sehen, ob <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> noch eine detail\u00adlier\u00adte\u00adre Stel\u00adlung\u00adnah\u00adme zu den Vor\u00adw\u00fcr\u00adfen des anony\u00admen Main\u00adboard-Her\u00adstel\u00adlers her\u00adaus\u00adge\u00adben&nbsp;wird.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> habe, so die Aus\u00adsa\u00adge, \u00fcber die Jah\u00adre ver\u00adlernt, eine kom\u00adplett neue <span class=\"caps\">CPU<\/span> am Markt ein\u00adzu\u00adf\u00fch\u00adren. Sie sei\u00aden vor\u00adge\u00adgan\u00adgen wie bei ihrem Gra\u00adfik\u00adkar\u00adten-Launch und h\u00e4t\u00adten das kom\u00adple\u00adxe \u00d6ko\u00adsys\u00adtem rund um die neue <span class=\"caps\">CPU<\/span> her\u00adum au\u00dfer acht gelas\u00adsen. Eine schlech\u00adte Kom\u00admu\u00adni\u00adka\u00adti\u00adon habe vor\u00adge\u00adle\u00adgen, schlech\u00adter Sup\u00adport durch <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> und \u00fcber\u00adhaupt sei es ein schlech\u00adtes Timing gewe\u00adsen, den wohl urspr\u00fcng\u00adlich intern f\u00fcr Ende <span class=\"caps\">Q2<\/span> geplan\u00adten Ryzen-Launch auf <span class=\"caps\">Q1<\/span> vor\u00adzu\u00adzie\u00adhen. (\u2026) <a class=\"moretag\" href=\"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/30725-schlechte-kommunikation-schlechter-support-mainboard-hersteller-sauer\/\">Wei\u00adter\u00adle\u00adsen&nbsp;\u00bb<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":6037,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"wp_typography_post_enhancements_disabled":false,"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[833,1121,1210],"class_list":["post-30725","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-geruchte","tag-am4","tag-bug","tag-ryzen","entry"],"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/30725","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=30725"}],"version-history":[{"count":30,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/30725\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":31325,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/30725\/revisions\/31325"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/6037"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=30725"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=30725"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=30725"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}