{"id":59152,"date":"2020-10-20T15:46:53","date_gmt":"2020-10-20T13:46:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/?p=59152"},"modified":"2020-10-20T16:31:48","modified_gmt":"2020-10-20T14:31:48","slug":"amd-apus-cezanne-und-lucienne-gemischt-in-einer-serie","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/59152-amd-apus-cezanne-und-lucienne-gemischt-in-einer-serie\/","title":{"rendered":"AMD-APUs Cezanne und Lucienne gemischt in einer&nbsp;Serie?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Als die ers\u00adten <a href=\"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/58428-kommt-desktop-zen-3-vermeer-als-ryzen-5000\/\">Ger\u00fcch\u00adte auf\u00adka\u00admen<\/a>, <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> w\u00fcr\u00adde den kom\u00admen\u00adden Zen-3-Pro\u00adzes\u00adsor \u201cVer\u00admeer\u201d als Ryzen 5000 ver\u00admark\u00adten, nicht als Ryzen 4000, wer\u00adte\u00adten wir das posi\u00adtiv, w\u00fcr\u00adde es doch end\u00adlich das heil\u00adlo\u00adse Durch\u00adein\u00adan\u00adder ver\u00adschie\u00adde\u00adner CPU-Archi\u00adtek\u00adtu\u00adren unter einer Modell\u00adbe\u00adzeich\u00adnung been\u00adden. Bei\u00adspiels\u00adwei\u00adse waren die APUs namens Ryzen 2000(G\/U\/H) noch 1. Gene\u00adra\u00adti\u00adon Zen-Archi\u00adtek\u00adtur (14 nm), wohin\u00adge\u00adgen die Ryzen-2000-CPUs schon auf Zen+ (12 nm) fu\u00df\u00adten. Das Spiel wie\u00adder\u00adhol\u00adte sich bei Ryzen 3000, wo die APUs auf Zen+ basier\u00adten, die CPUs hin\u00adge\u00adgen auf Zen 2 (7 nm). Und w\u00e4h\u00adrend bei Ryzen 4000 die APUs Zen-2-Deri\u00adva\u00adte sind, trenn\u00adte <span class=\"caps\">AMD<\/span> die\u00adsen Kno\u00adten nun auf und wird die Zen-3-CPUs \u201cVer\u00admeer\u201d als Ryzen 5000 ver\u00admark\u00adten. Damit hat nun alles sei\u00adne Ord\u00adnung \u2013 oder bes\u00adser gesagt, h\u00e4t\u00adte haben k\u00f6nnen.<\/p>\n<p>Denn wie bereits seit gerau\u00admer Zeit <a href=\"https:\/\/forum.planet3dnow.de\/index.php?threads\/amd-zen-3-7-nm-6-nm-vermeer-cezanne-warhol-rembrandt-drouais.433655\/page-10#post-5303851\">in den Foren spe\u00adku\u00adliert<\/a> wird, k\u00f6nn\u00adten AMDs kom\u00admen\u00adde APUs gleich auf meh\u00adre\u00adre ver\u00adschie\u00adde\u00adne Archi\u00adtek\u00adtu\u00adren zur\u00fcckgreifen:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Luci\u00aden\u00adne = Zen 2 <span class=\"caps\">CPU<\/span> plus Vega&nbsp;<span class=\"caps\">GPU<\/span><\/li>\n<li>Cezan\u00adne = Zen 3 <span class=\"caps\">CPU<\/span> plus Vega&nbsp;<span class=\"caps\">GPU<\/span><\/li>\n<li>Van Gogh = Zen 2 <span class=\"caps\">CPU<\/span> plus Navi&nbsp;<span class=\"caps\">GPU<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Bis\u00adher ging man davon aus, dass es sich dabei um Pro\u00adduk\u00adte f\u00fcr unter\u00adschied\u00adli\u00adche M\u00e4rk\u00adte oder Seg\u00admen\u00adte han\u00addeln m\u00fcs\u00adse. Doch vor eini\u00adgen Tagen gab es einen <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ExecuFix\/status\/1317827352437686272\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tweet<\/a>, der eine ganz ande\u00adre Kon\u00adstel\u00adla\u00adti\u00adon erwar\u00adten l\u00e4sst. Dem\u00adnach sol\u00adlen Luci\u00aden\u00adne und Cezan\u00adne par\u00adal\u00adlel in einer APU-Serie Ver\u00adwen\u00addung finden:<\/p>\n<table style=\"border-collapse: collapse; width: 97.4376%; height: 186px;\">\n<tbody>\n<tr style=\"height: 31px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\"><strong>Modell<\/strong><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\"><strong>CPU-Arch<\/strong><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\"><strong>Kerne\/Threads<\/strong><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\"><strong>Basis\/Turbo<\/strong><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\"><strong><span class=\"caps\">GPU<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\"><strong>L3-Cache<\/strong><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\"><strong><span class=\"caps\">TDP<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 31px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Ryzen 7&nbsp;<span class=\"caps\">5800U<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Zen 3 Cezanne<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">8\/16<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">2,0 \/ 4,4&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Vega 8 <span class=\"caps\">CU<\/span> @ 2.0&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">16 MiB<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">10\u201325 W&nbsp;cTDP<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 31px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Ryzen 7&nbsp;<span class=\"caps\">5700U<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Zen 2 Lucienne<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">8\/16<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">1,8 \/ 4,3&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Vega 8 <span class=\"caps\">CU<\/span> @ 1.9&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">2x 4&nbsp;MiB<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">10\u201325 W&nbsp;cTDP<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 31px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Ryzen 5&nbsp;<span class=\"caps\">5600U<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Zen 3 Cezanne<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">6\/12<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">2,3 \/ 4,2&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Vega 7 <span class=\"caps\">CU<\/span> @ 1.8&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">12 MiB<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">10\u201325 W&nbsp;cTDP<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 31px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Ryzen 5&nbsp;<span class=\"caps\">5500U<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Zen 2 Lucienne<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">6\/12<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">2,1 \/ 4,0&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Vega 7 <span class=\"caps\">CU<\/span> @ 1.8&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">2x 4&nbsp;MiB<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">10\u201325 W&nbsp;cTDP<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 31px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Ryzen 3&nbsp;<span class=\"caps\">5400U<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Zen 3 Cezanne<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">4\/8<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">2,6 \/ 4,0&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">Vega 6 <span class=\"caps\">CU<\/span> @ 1.6&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">8 MiB<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%; height: 31px;\">10\u201325 W&nbsp;cTDP<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%;\">Ryzen 3&nbsp;<span class=\"caps\">5300U<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%;\">Zen 2 Lucienne<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%;\">4\/8<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%;\">2,6 \/ 3,85&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%;\">Vega 6 <span class=\"caps\">CU<\/span> @ 1.5&nbsp;GHz<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%;\">4 MiB<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 12.5%;\">10\u201325 W&nbsp;cTDP<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Gesetzt den Fall der Lea\u00adk\u00ader h\u00e4t\u00adte recht, w\u00e4re das ein \u00e4u\u00dferst kurio\u00adses Sor\u00adti\u00adment. Zen 3 bei den Top\u00admo\u00addel\u00adlen, Zen 2 bei den klei\u00adne\u00adren w\u00e4re nach\u00advoll\u00adzieh\u00adbar und wur\u00adde in der Ver\u00adgan\u00adgen\u00adheit auch schon \u00e4hn\u00adlich prak\u00adti\u00adziert, aber abwech\u00adselnd inner\u00adhalb der Modell\u00adrei\u00adhe, das gab es so wohl noch nie. Und es birgt die Gefahr, dass ein klei\u00adner Cezan\u00adne, z.B. Ryzen 3 <span class=\"caps\">5400U<\/span>, bei gewis\u00adsen Workloads dank Zen-3-Archi\u00adtek\u00adtur deut\u00adlich schnel\u00adler ist, als ein eigent\u00adlich h\u00f6her posi\u00adtio\u00adnier\u00adtes Luci\u00aden\u00adne-Modell wie etwa der Ryzen 7 <span class=\"caps\">5700U<\/span>. Das d\u00fcrf\u00adten span\u00adnen\u00adde Reviews wer\u00adden und eini\u00adges an Erkl\u00e4\u00adrungs\u00adbe\u00addarf geben in den&nbsp;Foren.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Wie bereits seit gerau\u00admer Zeit in den Foren spe\u00adku\u00adliert wird, k\u00f6nn\u00adten AMDs kom\u00admen\u00adde APUs gleich auf meh\u00adre\u00adre ver\u00adschie\u00adde\u00adne Archi\u00adtek\u00adtu\u00adren zur\u00fcck\u00adgrei\u00adfen. Bis\u00adher ging man davon aus, dass es sich dabei um Pro\u00adduk\u00adte f\u00fcr unter\u00adschied\u00adli\u00adche M\u00e4rk\u00adte han\u00addeln m\u00fcs\u00adse. Doch vor eini\u00adgen Tagen gab es einen Tweet, der eine ganz ande\u00adre Kon\u00adstel\u00adla\u00adti\u00adon erwar\u00adten l\u00e4sst. Dem\u00adnach sol\u00adlen Luci\u00aden\u00adne und Cezan\u00adne par\u00adal\u00adlel in einer APU-Serie Ver\u00adwen\u00addung fin\u00adden. (\u2026) <a class=\"moretag\" href=\"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/59152-amd-apus-cezanne-und-lucienne-gemischt-in-einer-serie\/\">Wei\u00adter\u00adle\u00adsen&nbsp;\u00bb<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":42876,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"wp_typography_post_enhancements_disabled":false,"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[2150,2447,1308,1309],"class_list":["post-59152","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-geruchte","tag-cezanne","tag-lucienne","tag-zen-2","tag-zen-3","entry"],"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/59152","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=59152"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/59152\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":59162,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/59152\/revisions\/59162"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42876"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=59152"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=59152"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.planet3dnow.de\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=59152"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}